Seppi talks turkey to those who say “Kill the dogs”

Published Feb 15 2008 by seppi

(Seppi the Cockatoo has his own column in Best Friends magazine, where he gets to critique the various articles. Today, however, he gets to squawk about an e-mail from PETA about the Vicktory dogs.)

A remarkable document crossed my perch today – a response from PETA to someone who had apparently written to them asking if their position was that the dogs rescued from Michael Vick should be killed.

You may remember their involvement in the case – they quickly took the media podium to tout their wonderful investigative work and how integral they were to the case. (Two cookies for you kids!) And they garnered more publicity off the backs of these poor scarred dogs than Britney Spears does on a Slurpee Bender!

Here's some of PETA's infinite wisdom from their Standard Response on what should happen to these dogs who have been rescued:

"Thank you for contacting PETA about the fate of the pit bulls who were rescued from Michael Vick's dog fighting operation. ...

"Given that these dogs had been chained, trained to fight, and denied everything that dogs need to be happy and well-adjusted, it was inevitable that some of them would have to be euthanized. Hard as it may be for us to accept, a painless release from the world that treated these dogs like fighting machines from the moment they were born was the most humane option.

"We are concerned that the remaining dogs, who have already suffered so much, have been shuffled off to Best Friends ..."

"Shuffled off?" Like old folks in slippers and a bath robe at a nursing home?

In fact, like New Yawkers to Boca come December, these dogs were loaded onto a private flight, courtesy of the U.S. government – destination sunny southern Utah. A miserable fate, indeed! Boatloads of treats, toys and people talking baby talk to the inmates. It's just like a scene from Les Miz!

"... shuffled off to Best Friends, a so-called "sanctuary" where they are unlikely to have steady, healthy contact with people."

Ah yes, I can see the bleakness on their faces every miserable day (and night) at Best Friends:

"In addition, these dogs will forever be at great risk of being stolen and ending up back in the fighting ring. Animal shelters are routinely burglarized by dogfighters who want to get their hands on valuable fighting dogs, as happened with pit bulls who were rescued during Hurricane Katrina – some of them disappeared from the shelter compound in the middle of the night. These dogs are high-dollar commodities to those looking to profit from fighting them."

Oh, I get it, now boredom and bleak loneliness are nothing compared to the risk of being stolen? And their example of this is Hurricane Katrina – an environment of total chaos in the middle of a national disaster. A little different from life in this part of the world. (Or does PETA imagine gangs of roaming undesirables lurking behind every juniper bush in canyon country?)

More important, the value of an ex-fighting dog as a "high-dollar" commodity for breeding drops faster than a diving falcon once they're spayed or neutered.

Oh, there was more. It was a long letter. I guess if you write to PETA asking what they think should happen to the Vicktory dogs, they'll send you the whole thing. Personally, I found it most useful – it makes a wonderful birdcage liner.

But if you're staying up late at night worrying about the safety of these dogs, you're right, you may agree with PETA that we should just kill them.

P.S. Should we dump them illegally too?

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February 15, 2008 4:47 PM
 

kitties4 said:

Seppi,

I'm glad you squawked about PETA's position on the Vick dogs.  They (PETA) need a reality check.  I'm sure some of the more abused dogs may never be adoptable but the ones that BF has shown (especially the one sleeping with the caretaker) should be able to find a home.  The unadoptable ones have a home at BF forever as far as I understand.  As for  calling BF a "so-called sanctuary" - have they ever seen the place?  What would they consider a sanctuary?    

By the way, I like your philosophy - "I hatched, therefore, I am!"  

February 15, 2008 4:48 PM
 

kathy_g said:

Seppi~

PETA has always made a very clear stance regarding Pit Bulls, and it's a very sad stance, indeed.  While they may do well at bringing cruelty to light in the circus and labs, they are severely lacking in the companion animal arena; especially concerning the beloved Pit bull.

Obviously, no one from PETA has ever set foot onto Best Friends grounds, or they would absolutely have a different mindset.

February 15, 2008 8:05 PM
 

Hope said:

My husband & I used to donate to PETA,  as well as BF & several other animal orginations. PETA membership renewal was due recently, & we decided we were not going to continue sending money to them because of their stance on pit bulls, & the Vicktory dogs in particular. They sent us an e-mail asking why we hadn't renewed, & I sent them an answer that we would no longer support them because of their urging of the killing of those poor, innocent dogs...who are doing nicely in their new surroundings, no thanks to them. And you are correct, kathy_g. They must never have been to BF, because if they had, they would know that it is a doggie paradise, this side of a forever home. MORE "DOGTOWN" PLEASE!!

February 15, 2008 8:53 PM
 

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February 15, 2008 9:31 PM
 

jbsibley said:

One of my favorite things about BF is their openness - an organization that actually invites people to GO THERE, participate in their work, and see their facilities and processes.

PETA operates a notorious kill shelter that executed over 95% of the animals it took in in 2006, the last year for which numbers are available. These are the numbers that PETA themselves reported to the state of VA, as VA state law requires. See:

terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/.../counting.html

Wonder if they encourage their supporters to visit?

February 15, 2008 9:53 PM
 

marla said:

PETA  Also asked me why I did not rebew my membership.  I told them the Vick dogs was the last straw with them.  They never responded to me.  I was a member over 20 years, and had been thinking about not renewing for a couple of years now.

Boy those pictures sure look like they are having fun to me.

February 15, 2008 9:58 PM
 

k9mommyx4 said:

Seppi,  

Thank you for showing that once again animals are smarting than most humans!

My name is Ruby and I got my mom to sign in for me to write you after reading you column.  When mom first meet me she called me "Big Red" because I am a big red pit bull (I look just like Little Red).  And yes the 'x4" means there are four pit bulls living here.  

But back to your column, we have seen and heard first hand PETA's stand on pit bulls.  The only thing that scares us more than Mikey Vick is PETA.  When either is mentioned in our house we all hide under the bed.  PETA stands for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.  If this is so, why do some many of the dogs in their care end up dead?  Why do we keep hearing about all the horrible things they have done to the animals, "killing and dumping them in trash cans".  They give people dog houses and straw so that dogs can continue to be chained to them and live outside, is that the correct way for a dog to live? (please say no).  An abused dog can be retrained and loved, then find a wonderful home, just as an abused child can receive counseling and go on to become a wonderful adult and parent.

My mommy has helped rescue and rehome over 100 pit bulls and pit bull mixes in the last 10 years and has only seen 1 that was people agressive, and 2 that were so animal agressive they had to be put to sleep.  She can't say the same about other breeds.  Has anyone from PETA looks at the stats on breed who pass temperment tests to see where pit bulls stand?  We have an 87% passing rate,  can the same be said for your golden retriever or cocker spaniel?  NO!  

Dear PETA the only bad pit bull you will find is the one with a bad owner!

Seppi, you used that email for the purpose it was intended.  

Thank you,

Ruby

CGC(Canine Good Citizen)

TDI (Theraphy Dog International)

February 15, 2008 10:02 PM
 

EmilyS said:

oh SNAP!, Seppi.

Call out those vicious maniacs at PETA, for the cruel hypocrites they are.

Good bird!

February 15, 2008 10:10 PM
 

kittychump said:

Ruby the Pitbull - My name is Pepita and my human mom "kittychump" is a BF/GA person [you can see my photo in her Pet Profile!] She told me about your comment & Seppi's too - and I thought that me being a special-needs rescued kitty, you need my voice too. I'd like to shred that PETA letter myself and put it under my kitty litter!! GRRRR!! I've heard all about how that horrible woman running PETA has actually *bragged* about killing homeless animals like I used to be, with her own hands!!! She's a MONSTER as far as I'm concerned and she better hope she's not in a natural disaster or maybe nobody would rescue HER! I may be blind but I can see right through PETA - they're all about the MONEY. So I say, folks spend your money on Best Friends - and on healthy, yummy treats and fun, safe toys for your own forever pets, and for fosters and for donations to rescued critters in no-kill shelters and havens like BF. PETA folks deserve to be starved - of donations! You can always use the money you used to send to PETA to sponsor one of the Vicktory dogs or one of the Pahrump kitties. Seppi and Big Red - we can have a nationwide play date shredding PETA letters! Happy shredding, guys!!! :)  -- head-butts and purry cuddles to the good guys at BF! --Pepita <..>

February 15, 2008 10:30 PM
 

k9mommyx4 said:

Pepita  we know about special needs fur babies.  That's how we ended up with k9mommy,  we each have a special need or behavior issue that would have gotten us PTS if not for mom.  We live close to the PETA Virginia headquarters, they have a very nice dog park, but we're not welcome.  We cried tears of anger and flustration when we heard the news about Mikey, then tears of happiness when we heard the dogs were going to be saved.  Best Friends is a wonderful place for homeless animals,  it's the next best thing to a forever home.  PETA is not very animal friendly and very strange.  I agree send to money to BF and support Little Red and her friends.  Did you know that PETA will spay and neuter the bully breeds (pit bull, rottie, doberman, chow and etc) for FREE?    What a horrifying thought.

For the first time in my life I wish I was paper trained!!  I don't think mom would be to upset about it either.

And Pepita, my friends call me Ruby Jean, check out our pictures on mom's profile.

February 15, 2008 11:06 PM
 

carolynbeth said:

wow- i'm really glad PETA didn't get ahold of my pit bull- she was a bait dog and she loves EVERYONE... sounds like PETA needs the rehabilitation. good call Seppi!

February 15, 2008 11:35 PM
 

rmlamasney25 said:

You're right, Seppi, the Vicktory dogs look sooo miserable at Best Friends:  long walks in the beautiful canyons, snuggling in a person's arms under warm blankets, giving kisses to new friends....what a terrible fate! Oh and then there's heated floors in the kennels, toys, treats, good food, open runs, lots of interaction with professional trainers, all this they have to endure.... I suppose PETA thought it would be better to kill and dump their bodies illegally, like they did before.  I used to think PETA was a good group, and gave donations, but now I give to BF, HUA, Eleventh Hour, and North Shore Animal League instead.  PETA has gone off its rocker.

February 16, 2008 10:24 AM
 

marys said:

Go Seppi!!  You are loved and so are each and every one of these special dogs that have been through hell and deserve (and are getting) the very best.  Thank You Best Friends for knowing the truth and proving it.  It takes a lot of special care, dedication, attention and love to accomplish the task at hand, and Best Friends have it all to give.  Some of these wonderful caregivers/staff are sleeping with these dogs all night on their own time, not for a paycheck.  If the PETA folks could see the progress over a few short weeks, they would change their killing ways.

February 16, 2008 11:55 AM
 

valerie7946 said:

Seppi, you're a smart bird. PETA should stand for People Euthanizing Trainable (or treatable) Animals. Obviously PETA had no further interest in the Vicktory dogs after the publicity was over, otherwise, they would have joined the Best Friends Newsletter (or checked in from time to time) where they would see the wonderful care, love, affection, and socialization these dogs are getting. Oh well... PETA's been this way since I first heard about them. Hopefully Best Friends can some day take over as the people who are REALLY all for the ethical treatment of animals. In this situtation they most certainly were.

February 16, 2008 12:39 PM
 

ciocia said:

I'm glad I try to be well informed as to where I place my donations.  What a terrible stance to take that to euthanize these poor dogs is the only acceptible option in PETA's mind.  I think that they should watch "Dog Town" that was on National Geographic and truly appreciate the steps that Best Friends take to ensure a safe place for all animals in their care.  No animal should have to face death as the only alternative.  They should change their name PETAS, People for The Ethical Treatment of Animals Sometimes.

February 16, 2008 1:21 PM
 

bigfoot238 said:

I have always had problems with PETA, but after working at a nationally known pet store change I have major problems.  Because of PETA we could not euthanize injured or sick fish any way other than to catch the fish put it into a small container and then dump in a chemical that bound the oxygen so that the fish sufficated.  Now I don't know about you but I have been in situation where I could not get a breath of air and let me tell you that it is not pleasant.  

PETA seems to think that only they know what is good for animals, but from what I have seen they are criminally ignorant at best.  Yes these dogs have had a life that gives most of us nightmares, but having worked with PBs for over 10 years in an animal hospital I would prefer to deal with an injurd PB over most other breeds.

I will get off my soapbox now.  Thanks for letting me rant

February 16, 2008 3:43 PM
 

veganmarcy said:

rmlamasney25, I too refuse to donate (anymore) to PETA.  It was one thing after another.  I can't believe the same lady who founded PETA and wrote an article about how the needless euthanization of baby kittens she found at a shelter got her into starting PETA, now brags about killing and euthing these same kind of animals every chance she gets.  Frankly, the whole rog smacks of hoarder to me.  Think about it, they frequently lie and place ads and such to get "rescues" in large numbers, then get donations with that, brag about their rescue efforts, only to kill & dump the animals in bizarre ways en masse.  And they act godlike about it, like only they have the right to say who lives and who dies (including whole species, for ex they think all pits/amstaffs should be wiped out, every last one).  Craziness.  Anyways, I also donate instead to Eleventh Hour dog rescue in NJ (the name says the function) and to BF.  Also, I support Rotta Love Plus in MN and its anti-BSL efforts - currently MN trying to ban 5 breeds and their mixes, inlc. pits, aka kill them en masse.  See their website for more, esp. the forum. Thanks.  (And yes, I'm a feral cat adoptive & foster mom, and PETA wants to kill all of them, too.  Blech!)

February 19, 2008 12:06 PM
 

QMD333 said:

 So, Those precious dogs, who are now snuggling and playing ever so peacefully with their caretakers, are "fighting machines"?

PETA are a disgrace.They strip naked to save pigs (commendable) but murder healthy cats and dogs (disgraceful)

Ingrid Newkirk learned everything she knows about this issue of euthanasia from her past work at a KILL SHELTER. Need I say more?

Ingrid Newkirk once said, to the effect: "A pig is a dog is a rat is a boy".

Hey Ingrid, how many inner city "boys" are you in favor of murdering because of their "hard, uncertain life"?

While answering this question, now put cats and dogs in place of the boy. If you truly believe that cute phrase of yours, that we are all equal, that "A pig, is a rat, is

a dog is a boy", it is time to start practicing what you preach....time to start looking at EVERY LIFE AS AN INDIVIDUAL SOUL, and time to stop using ignorance and arrogance as a lame, deadly excuse, in order to "play God" (which you are not good at, by the way).

(For more on PETA and the HSUS hypocrisy, check out Nathan J. Winograd's book "REDEMPTION".You'll see who are more enemies to cats and dogs, than friends...namely PETA and the HSUS.)

By the way, these comments are MINE, and do not necessarily reflect those of Best Friends Animal Society.

If you love someone, you do everything in your power to save their life. You dont throw them away, like PETA and the HSUS does.

How ironic that PETA spills red paint on fur coats to symbolize the life that was taken in the making of that coat, yet with cats and dogs, PETA themselves are the ones wearing the "coats", due to the fact that they're walking around with innocent blood on their hands.

Put up or shut up, PETA.And you as well, HSUS. (ASPCA, include yourself in this as well.)

You have been part of the massive kill problem, not part of the NO-KILL solution.

Either change your ways and love animals enough to SAVE THEIR PRECIOUS LIVES, or be seen by everyone as a bunch of frauds who couldnt care less about cats, dogs, bunnies, horses etc  

If you care, prove it and save lives, rather than ending them. The same goes for you, HSUS. And the ASPCA.

 That is my challenge to you.

 Until then, you will not be getting my donations or support.

  I dont give to killers.

February 19, 2008 8:52 PM
 

kathygarrey said:

Seppi -

In the past few months I have learned a few disturbing things about PETA and I will no longer be giving them any money.  There is a website called petakillsanimals.com, which I'm sure they don't want many people to look at.  Ah yes, PETA seems to have blood on their hands.  And the stuff they are choosing to fight for has gotten bizzare - they want people to campaign against Kay Jewelers for the commercial where the couple break apart a wishbone.  Come on PETA - put your money where your mouth is and go save some puppies.  I feel they are wasting subscribers money on foolishness and it's a shame because animals around the world will suffer.  

PETA should take a good, long look at Best Friends so they can learn how to do it right.

Oh yeah, I sponsor Little Red - one of Michael Vick's victims.  This is money that would have gone to PETA - but not anymore.  And I feel GREAT about doing it.

God bless everyone at Best Friends - you guys rock!!!

February 21, 2008 9:59 AM
 

dawgmom said:

Shame on you, PETA!  I supported you years ago (before I found BF) but never will again.  You have lost any level of respect I may have had for you.  Your comments show complete ignorance.  I pray the Vicktory dogs show the world how lovely and loving this breed is, and how marginalized PETA has become.

Hurray for you Best Friends!!!  You have my life-long support for all the wonderful work you do in all of your efforts.  Can't wait for the DogTown series to return this summer, and most importantly, I can't wait to shuffle myself to your "so-called sanctuary" later this year.  :o)

February 21, 2008 12:54 PM
 

babs1171 said:

I, too, USED to be a big supporter of PETA.   When this information came to my attention (re. PETA wanting the Vick dogs to be put down) I wrote PETA wanting to know why.    Their response was to forward a copy of the letter which Seppi uses to line the bottom of his cage (good place for that letter by the way).   I have since informed PETA that I will no longer support PETA, my funds are better spent at BF!   Thank you BF for not giving up on these poor animals who, through no fault of their own, were forced into a horrific life.   For the first time in their sad lives they are actually getting to experience what it is like to be a loved animal.....not a forced fighter.   Thanks BF and you can expect more support from me since I will no longer be supporting PETA!    

February 22, 2008 4:22 PM
 

ucmmsoya said:

Guess this is a PETA bashing page.   I am not a PETA hater or defender, but I don't  they abandoned 44 pits.   BF did that in Las Vegas.   They were pit bulls that BF brought from Utah and left them at a vet clinic.   Another group had to step in and care for the dogs for about a month.   After peading to BF to be responsible for the dogs they brought to Vegas, BF finally assumed responsibilitie for the dogs.  

Read :www.animalliberationfront.com/.../BestFriendsrant.htm

February 23, 2008 11:28 AM
 

ucmmsoya said:

And to Kathy Gerry:  Here's a post from 1 informed animal lover:flip195.wordpress.com/.../I read this article www.msnbc.msn.com/.../14997834

having mulled it over I have to say I am furious at Best Friends.

Why in gods name would you import 300 animals from Beirut when in one day I could find you 3 times that many and then some, that are healthy, that are going die in a US shelters and pounds.

In one day I can find you at least 200 reservation dogs that need help, I know of at least 40 cats in NJ that have been dumped over the years that need help.

When the person caring for this colony asked for spay/neuter help and some support from BF she was told ” Sorry can’t help, we are over extended.” Yet when it comes to getting BF into the headlines, they can find $250,000 to IMPORT these animals, all while animals already here need help and are dying at a rate of 100’s per day.

Oh and then we have the backlash from the puppymillers and the byb’s, it gives them ammunition for their argument that there is NO OVER POPULATION of animals in the US, they are now saying “how can that be when one of the biggest rescues in the US has to import 300 animals?”

Don’t get me wrong BF, You want to help these animals… GREAT… so fund the efforts of the ppl already caring for them, WHERE THEY ARE, I will support you 100%

I can not and WILL NOT support the importation of these animals until the animals I personally know of get the help they need.

I can not and WILL NOT support this action, until the pounds and shelters in the US are empty.

This is rescue gone mad… publicity worthy verses actually getting priorities straight.

COME ON BEST FRIENDS TAKE OFF THE ROSE COLORED GLASSES THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

And check their tax return posted on this websiteTheir 2006 income tax return shows $28,698,659.00.

Only $420,967.00 (1.5%) was for animal food and $1,555,138.00

(5.4%) was for animal vet/medical supplies.  

Yet payroll and compensation ($17,116,326.00) is much higher (64.3%):

(www.bestfriends.org/.../2006-990.pdf)

Did you know that BF raised $33,703,350 in 2005?

Of that figure they spent $2,010,862.00 (6%) for administrative fees

and $2,647,670.00 (7%) for rescue.

I would have hoped that rescue had a higher priority.

According to the figures posted on their website, expenses

were $26,794,665.00 leaving a PROFIT of $6,908,685.00.

(www.bestfriends.org/.../AnnualReport2005.pdf

February 23, 2008 12:02 PM
 

edward said:

Hey Seppi,

Great work on exposing the hype on that 'group'. These dogs are great, like so many - from all over the country that live at the sanctuary. The magic is in the people that will go to almost any length to give these animals another chance.

I love your work, Seppi!

Keep scquacking!

February 25, 2008 8:13 PM
 

NogenEquay said:

I live in Pasado country, a fact that I can state with pride. Pasado's safe haven continually makes the four star list of charities for spending almost every dollar on the animals they serve. I still feel positive about Best Friends. On a practical level, publicity is extremely important as is monitoring and advocating for better laws. As for PETA, someone once asked me if I supported them. I told them I would never want people to think I could. First of all, I live with two half pit bull rescues. I also have four other dogs, all rescued. I support responsible breeding of pure bred dogs and I would never want to live in a world without companion animals. PETA uses pictures of cuddly animals to dupe brainless actresses to ego boo for them, but there mission is clearly anti-pet. They have revealed their unethical behavior again and again.

No rescue can take in every animal. Each person has to do what they can as individuals, leaving breeding to people who maintain the highest standards, including being responsible for every animal they bree

March 15, 2008 11:52 AM
 

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March 22, 2008 2:55 AM
 

Cheyenne said:

PETA is a word synonymous with FREAK! They are a bunch of fanatics, led by Ingrid Newkirk, who would do well to seek psychoanalysis. How can PETA profess to care about the ethical treatment of animals when they execute 95% of the animals who have the misfortune of crossing their path? How is that ethical? I suggest everyone read "Redemption" by Nathan Winograd. That will give you a real clear understanding of PETA.

April 20, 2008 12:59 PM

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